{"id":17291,"date":"2025-07-28T11:47:56","date_gmt":"2025-07-28T10:47:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.fvb.cat\/ca\/?p=17291"},"modified":"2025-07-28T11:47:56","modified_gmt":"2025-07-28T10:47:56","slug":"manuel-delgado-i-francesc-torralba-debaten-sobre-espiritualitat-i-agnosticisme-a-linstitut-universitari-de-salut-mental-vidal-i-barraquer-url","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.fvb.cat\/ca\/delgado-torralba-dialeg-espiritualitat-agnosticisme\/","title":{"rendered":"Manuel Delgado i Francesc Torralba debaten sobre espiritualitat i agnosticisme a l\u2019Institut Universitari de Salut Mental Vidal i Barraquer \u2013 URL"},"content":{"rendered":"La <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fvb.cat\/ca\/\">Fundaci\u00f3 Vidal i Barraquer<\/a> ha organitzat un di\u00e0leg sobre espiritualitat i agnosticisme a<a href=\"https:\/\/www.fvb.cat\/ca\/docencia\/\"> l\u2019IUSM<\/a>. Un acte que ha donat l\u2019oportunitat d\u2019asseure a dues persones que parteixen de conviccions i cosmovisions del tot oposades. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.francesctorralba.com\/es\/\">Francesc Torralba<\/a> (doctor en filosofia, teologia, pedagogia, arqueologia i arts cristianes) ha reclamat que \u00e9s una tasca que ha de fer la universitat, \u201caix\u00f2 \u00e9s molt estrany en les universitats i ja no parlo de les xarxes socials ni la televisi\u00f3\u201d. \u00c9s una realitat que les persones que participen en els actes als quals estem acostumats tinguin pensaments similars.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Des d\u2019un bon inici <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Manuel_Delgado_Ruiz\">Manuel Delgado<\/a> (catedr\u00e0tic d\u2019antropologia social a la Universitat de Barcelona. Especialitzat en viol\u00e8ncia religiosa, amb especial atenci\u00f3 al voltant dels fen\u00f2mens d\u2019anticlericalisme i iconocl\u00e0stia a l\u2019Espanya contempor\u00e0nia) ha deixat molt clara quina \u00e9s la seva postura pel que fa als temes que s\u2019han tractat durant el di\u00e0leg: \u201cLa meva postura al que es diu fet religi\u00f3s ni tan sols agn\u00f2stica. \u00c9s d\u2019absoluta indifer\u00e8ncia\u201d.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\u201cNo veig en quina forma que D\u00e9u existeixi o no m\u2019afecta d\u2019alguna manera. Han d\u2019existir a l\u2019Univers una quantitat de d\u00e9us en qui ning\u00fa creu\u201d- <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Manuel_Delgado_Ruiz\">Manuel Delgado<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Durant el di\u00e0leg, <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Manuel_Delgado_Ruiz\">Delgado<\/a> ha explicat algun dels temes que tracta a les seves classes de la universitat. Un dels problemes que es troba cada curs \u00e9s, explicar que una mateixa religi\u00f3 pugui servir per a coses molt diferents en funci\u00f3 de \u201cqui invoqui els seus principis transcendents\u201d, per exemple, el paper pol\u00edtic revolucionari que juga l\u2019evangelisme pentecostal en molts pa\u00efsos de Llatinoam\u00e8rica.<\/p>\n<p>El principal argument de <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Manuel_Delgado_Ruiz\">Delgado<\/a> ha estat des del punt de vista del la\u00efcisme, hi ha una problem\u00e0tica avui dia que \u00e9s l\u2019amena\u00e7a que viu la llibertat religiosa. Ha definit religi\u00f3 com la convicci\u00f3 en elements transcendents, invisibles i inefables dels quals depenem i la capacitat que s\u2019ha d\u2019impartir lli\u00e7ons morals en nom de principis \u00e8tics universals. El catedr\u00e0tic en antropologia ha afirmat que \u201csi aquesta \u00e9s la definici\u00f3 de religi\u00f3 que ens creiem, llavors el problema \u00e9s de compet\u00e8ncies en el sentit comercial\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Despr\u00e9s de la intervenci\u00f3 de <a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Manuel_Delgado_Ruiz\">Manuel Delgado<\/a> ha arribat el torn de <a href=\"https:\/\/www.francesctorralba.com\/es\/\">Francesc Torralba<\/a> qui, m\u00e9s que la seva opini\u00f3, ha exposat com veia i entenia ell l\u2019espiritualitat i l\u2019agnosticisme. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.francesctorralba.com\/es\/\">Torralba<\/a> ha parlat d\u2019espiritualitat des de la mirada filos\u00f2fica. Quan s\u2019intenta definir el terme veiem que als diccionaris es recopilen columnes i columnes d\u2019excepcions o significats.<\/p>\n<p>La conseq\u00fc\u00e8ncia final \u00e9s que si no s\u2019aclareix terminol\u00f2gicament no sabem de qu\u00e8 est\u00e0 parlant l\u2019altre quan diu \u2018aquesta persona \u00e9s molt espiritual\u2019, podria estar parlant d\u2019alg\u00fa que va a la muntanya a abra\u00e7ar un arbre, que resa un rosari cada dia o que practica meditaci\u00f3 a casa seva, entre altres coses. S\u2019utilitza la paraula espiritual, per\u00f2 a la pr\u00e0ctica s\u00f3n molt diferents.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.francesctorralba.com\/es\/\">Torralba<\/a> ha explicat que el terme espiritual \u00e9s molt ampli, per\u00f2 passa el mateix quan parlem d\u2019agnosticisme. Quan no s\u00e9 m\u00e9s i, per tant, em limito a mantenir el silenci, el dubte o no parlar del que s\u00e9.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">\u201cJo crec (de l\u2019oraci\u00f3 credo) significa jo confio que aix\u00f2 que s\u2019ha dit \u00e9s veritat\u201d \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.francesctorralba.com\/es\/\">Francesc Torralba<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Tamb\u00e9 ha aclarit que hi ha diferents tipus de persones agn\u00f2stiques: agn\u00f2stic tr\u00e0gic (pateix per no saber) o l\u2019agn\u00f2stic que viu de manera autocomplaent el no saber (no ho s\u00e9 ni em preocupa no saber-ho perqu\u00e8 tinc preocupacions m\u00e9s importants).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/es.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Manuel_Delgado_Ruiz\">Delgado<\/a> ha acabat la seva intervenci\u00f3 amb la reflexi\u00f3 que avui dia, \u201clluny d\u2019haver-nos alliberat de la religi\u00f3 i l\u2019espiritualitat, en el sentit que critiquen alguns, les tenim m\u00e9s presents que 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